More Religion And Shooting...And How Religion Can Cause Shooting (Tuesday's Second Hour)
Hello all. We begin the hour with the whole Anderson throws to John and John throws back to Anderson thing, except someone is a little quick with the throwing because Anderson is caught wiping his nose. Oops. It seems Mr. Cooper has a cold or just is cold. How do I know? Because I can hear him snuffing off camera. The wonders of microphones. Joining us for some Pope talk, we have CNN analyst John Allen. John tells us the Vatican won't take an offical position on Turkey joining the EU, but they look positively at Turkey's inclusion. Well that sounds good. And not as likely to tick people off. John thinks the Pope thinks the big clash in the world is not between Christians and Muslims, but rather between belief and nonbelief.
Moving on to a couple of repeat pieces and then we get Reza Aslan live. Anderson wants to know what the radical Islamists want and Reza says they don't know what they want. He also urges everyone not to lump all the groups together. Reza thinks many groups look to religion as a template to get what they want. Interesting.
Transitioning now to John who intros us into a Jason Carroll piece on that shooting in New York. Jason landed an interview with the groom's father, who thinks the incident was more an abuse of power than a racial thing. To delve into the issue of contagious shooting, we have, wait for it...wait for it...Rick Sanchez! There could be no other. Rick goes out to the shooting range where we watch an expert empty two magazines in less than 30 seconds. So this is how CNN is going to get rid of Rick.
Next up we have a Rusty Dornan piece on another police shooting. This time an elderly woman was shot dead by officers who raided her house by mistake. She shot and injured some of them thinking they were intruders (which they sort of were) and they killed her. The officers had a no knock warrant and thought it was a drug house. Now there's all kind of confusion between the officers and the informant on how they got the wrong address. Hmm. So sad.
Moving on now to a repeat Anderson piece and then an Anderson piece on Bartholomew the first. I'm passing on this one because I wasn't paying attention enough to do it justice. It's my blog, I can do that. Okay, next up we have a Paula Newton piece on how Amsterdam wants to ban the burka. They think it oppresses women, but some Muslim women think that's just a stereotype. The whole situation in the city has been highly tense since a filmaker was brutally murdered a couple of years ago. It seems to me they think they're going to stop Muslim radicalization by banning the burka, which is just nuts. It's like how Christians think putting up the 10 Commandments in schools will change student's behavior. As if the Columbine killers would have stopped and said, "Oh, thou shall not kill. I'm glad we read this." The burka is a part of the religion, it's not the religion.
Back to Reza and Delia gabbing with Anderson. Reza thinks the Pope did a good job during this visit and Delia informs us that now he's going to move onto the Christian unity leg of the trip. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm kind of hoping they don't cover it because I'm all Poped out. On another note, I have to say that whoever is directing the visuals tonight is driving me crazy. The camera is all over the place. At one point we're in the New York studio looking at Anderson and Reza talking on screen. Just put the camera on them and leave it there please. And we really don't need all that b-roll, especially when they leave in the sound. Okay, I'm done with that rant. John ends the night with the headlines and once again tries to joke with Anderson. They have an exchange this time, but Anderson still isn't into it. Now that I think about it, Anderson is kind of a banter snob. He only puts out for Erica apparently. And John even wished him a safe trip. Aw. That'll do it. Off to Jordan they go, with Reza in tow. Yay...and I don't know why I'm rhyming.
Should Poland ban the burka?
Moving on to a couple of repeat pieces and then we get Reza Aslan live. Anderson wants to know what the radical Islamists want and Reza says they don't know what they want. He also urges everyone not to lump all the groups together. Reza thinks many groups look to religion as a template to get what they want. Interesting.
Transitioning now to John who intros us into a Jason Carroll piece on that shooting in New York. Jason landed an interview with the groom's father, who thinks the incident was more an abuse of power than a racial thing. To delve into the issue of contagious shooting, we have, wait for it...wait for it...Rick Sanchez! There could be no other. Rick goes out to the shooting range where we watch an expert empty two magazines in less than 30 seconds. So this is how CNN is going to get rid of Rick.
Next up we have a Rusty Dornan piece on another police shooting. This time an elderly woman was shot dead by officers who raided her house by mistake. She shot and injured some of them thinking they were intruders (which they sort of were) and they killed her. The officers had a no knock warrant and thought it was a drug house. Now there's all kind of confusion between the officers and the informant on how they got the wrong address. Hmm. So sad.
Moving on now to a repeat Anderson piece and then an Anderson piece on Bartholomew the first. I'm passing on this one because I wasn't paying attention enough to do it justice. It's my blog, I can do that. Okay, next up we have a Paula Newton piece on how Amsterdam wants to ban the burka. They think it oppresses women, but some Muslim women think that's just a stereotype. The whole situation in the city has been highly tense since a filmaker was brutally murdered a couple of years ago. It seems to me they think they're going to stop Muslim radicalization by banning the burka, which is just nuts. It's like how Christians think putting up the 10 Commandments in schools will change student's behavior. As if the Columbine killers would have stopped and said, "Oh, thou shall not kill. I'm glad we read this." The burka is a part of the religion, it's not the religion.
Back to Reza and Delia gabbing with Anderson. Reza thinks the Pope did a good job during this visit and Delia informs us that now he's going to move onto the Christian unity leg of the trip. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm kind of hoping they don't cover it because I'm all Poped out. On another note, I have to say that whoever is directing the visuals tonight is driving me crazy. The camera is all over the place. At one point we're in the New York studio looking at Anderson and Reza talking on screen. Just put the camera on them and leave it there please. And we really don't need all that b-roll, especially when they leave in the sound. Okay, I'm done with that rant. John ends the night with the headlines and once again tries to joke with Anderson. They have an exchange this time, but Anderson still isn't into it. Now that I think about it, Anderson is kind of a banter snob. He only puts out for Erica apparently. And John even wished him a safe trip. Aw. That'll do it. Off to Jordan they go, with Reza in tow. Yay...and I don't know why I'm rhyming.
Should Poland ban the burka?
posted by eliza at 7:45 PM
10 Comments:
Eliza,
The burqa has a significant and deep seeded root in the history, religion and culture of Poland. I mean, okay,it's true that Poland doesn't have as many Burqa wearing women as say, Holland ( did I hear right? Holland has less than 100 Burqa wearing women?)....
On a more serious note, Holland has traditionally been a very generous country in accepting immigrants. In the wake of the murder of the famous Dutch filmmaker, van Gogh, Netherland has had to reexamine its immigration policies. The ban on the Burqa is being challenged in court. It may be violating the human rights laws.Here lies the difference between the West and the countries that these immigrants come from. You can challenge the law, even if it is for the benefit of less than 100 people.
They also want to pass legislation preventing unemployed Burqa wearing women from collecting welfare if the Burqa is the reason they're not able to find or maintain employment. I have to be honest with you, I see nothing wrong with that. I can understand the frustration of Danish people.
If I remember correctly they have roughly 1 million muslims living in the slums of Amsterdam. These immigrants are mainly marginalized. Holland is a major culture shock for many of these immigrants/ refugees. I remember my first trip there over 20 years ago. The red district, their liberal views about prostitution and "soft drugs".
I think it's tough to assimilate in cultures like that, especially if you come from a strict religious background . So what often ends up happening is, you end up having ethnic enclaves in urban areas. This immigration pelting pot is starting to feel more like a powderkeg though.
My favourite saying of the night:
"When you're up to your butt in alligators, it's hard to remember you set out to drain the swamp."
LOVE THAT!!!
Gissou
@Gissou-Thanks for the info. Where are you from exactly? I'd heard about van Gogh before so I sort of knew that the situation over there is, like you said, turning into a powderkeg. I don't know if I agree with you about the Burqa legislation though. I can understand a woman being refused employment (and then unemployment benefits) if the Burqa physically got in the way of the job, but if the woman can properly do the job while wearing the Burqa it doesn't seem right to refuse employment.
Although I can see the job field being narrowed for them. So I guess I feel that it's wrong to refuse unemployment benefits to women who can't find employment simply because employers are against the Burqa, but if they can't find employment because the Burqa causes a physical impediment to all available jobs, then that's something different. Tough situation.
I've got a question for you. Have there always been this many Muslims in Europe? I'm just wondering if these problems are new or if the American media has just woken up to them due to 9-11.
Eliza,
I'm Canadian.
As far as your question about Eurpean Muslims, I think it depends on which area of Europe you're talking about.
I've been to France and my dad studied there in the 60's and I know there are many Moroccans over there.
Holland, like Canada, has graciously accepted many Somali refugees in their country. Interesting to note that the film that van Gogh made starred a Somali woman. A remarkable woman,if you ask me. She came to Holland as a refugee ( She escaped Somalia because she was forced to marry a man much older than her. He was quite abusive and her family was not very supportive in getting her help). After many years of working in factories and other menial jobs in Holland, she finally won a seat in Parliament. She starred in this movie directed by van Gogh ( I think the grandson of the famous Van Gogh ) which was very critical of Islam and shed light on corporal punishment if a wife refuses to sleep with her husband... Needless to say, both their lives were threatened. She being Somali, took the matter seriously. She fled the country for a period of time and when things died down a bit she returned to the country but only travelled with body guards. He continued to ride his bicycle to work every day until some extremist slashed his throat one day.
Spain being so close to Morocco has always had some muslim population. The Moors invaded Spain in the 8th century and ruled parts of Spain until the 13th century. Alhambra ( the fort they built in Granada ) is so typical middle-eastern style architecture. Spain, similar to Holland , has about 1 million muslims. Eastern Europe ofcourse has its fare share of Muslims. I'm thinking of Albania that is Muslim majority. Parts of Hungary was ruled by the Ottoman Empire ( the Turks) for about 150 years but they managed to keep their religion. One word of advice, if you're ever in the neighbourhood, never mention the Turks, you'd be sure to get an earful. I say this from personal experience, having been there a few months ago.
Did you notice the sly grin when John Roberts said we've lost Anderson?
One word for a cold: Zicam. That stuff totally works. Your cold is gone, quick. Tastes like poo, though.
The burqa... um. Well? That's kind of screwy. That's like saying you want to ban that little hat thing Jewish men wear (I don't know how to spell it). It's hard to figure because on one hand, I agree that it seems to be opressing women, but on the other hand, that's their religious beliefs and therefore, the state should stay out of it. But we're not talking the US here....
Oh, and have you seen that video that you guys were talking about? I saw it and was, well, shocked I guess. Not at what she was saying, but that it was true and happening now, in this day and age. I could imagine it 200 years ago, but now!?
@Gissou-Wow. Is all that knowledge from focused study or just life travels? I had forgotten the part about the Somali woman. I'm not even sure where I learned about that whole thing-probably a 60 Minutes piece or something.
@Bev-Heh, yeah I was ready to blame John, but he was breaking up too.
@Sharla-Hey! I was getting worried about you. I'm used to you being the first comment of almost every post. LOL What video are you referring to?
I'm not sure where I heard about the Danish filmmaker. It may have been 60 minutes.
I do get around a bit. Unlike 99% of Canadians who like to lie on the beaches of Mexico or Cuba for their vacation, I prefer to travel to culturally different countries.I know I'm odd. You don't have to tell me that. I think that's why I identify with Anderson. I often do a quick reading on the country I'm travelling to,otherwise, IMO, you're really missing out on the experience.
Gissou
@Gissou-I'd love to travel to culturally different countries...but I have no money. The only other country I've ever been to is Canada and that was over 10 years ago with a church youth group.
Um, the video. I got to the link from another blog (I'm not actually sure which), but it was ten minutes long, featuring only one Muslim woman, talking about herself, her life, her nasty husband and uncles.... and the guy who wrote it/directed it was murdered. I'm really terrible with names.
The reason I hadn't been commenting was that my computer killed itself. I got a new laptop and plugged my phone into it for broadband access, so I'm all better now.
Oh, and for foreign countries.... I've been to three provinces in Canada, Mexico (Tijuana), and I lived in Japan (Iwakuni) for seven months. I love Japanese people :) I've also been to 43 United States (including Hawaii but not Alaska). Oh wait. I forgot England, France, Switzerland, and Italy. I've been around :D I'd say, that every time I came back to the US it was a shock with the culture differences. Especially between Japan and here. I liked Japan better!!
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